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The parentage of Robert "le Fort" is obscure. Some general indications of his origin are found in near contemporary sources, but these are contradictory.
A Saxon origin is suggested by two sources: Other early sources specifically state that nothing is known of the origins of Robert, for example Rodulphus Glaber "cuius genus…oscurum" .
However, there are two possible interpretations of the dating clause of this document. If it refers to Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks, whose reign is normally dated from the death of his father in Junthe year would be  the year after Robert "le Fort" died.
Another possibility is that the clause refers to Charles III "le Simple" King of the West Franks, in which case the year would beindicating that the donor was the future Robert I King of France, rather than Robert "le Fort", although this would not change the significance of the relationship described "avunculus" could also have been used in the document in the sense of "great-uncle".
It should be emphasised that this hypothesis is speculative. No primary source has yet been found which points specifically towards this suggested co-identity, although it is consistent with the Franconian origin referred to by the Annales Xantenses and by Widukind, as noted above.
It is assumed that the suggestion is based primarily on onomastics, although the first secondary source which proposed the connection has not yet been identified and therefore has not been checked.
The timing of the supposed arrival of Robert from Franconia, assuming that the co-identity is correct, is not ideal either. King Ludwig invaded in Augwhen King Charles was faced with widespread rebellion, and was defeated in Jan Such indications are provided by Regino who names "Waltgerius comes, nepos Odonis regis, filius scilicet avunculi eius Adalhelmi in Aquitanien" when recording his battle against "Ramnulfum et fratrem eius Gozbertum et Ebulonem abbatum de sancto Dionysio " in Juland names "Megingaudus comes, nepos supradicti Odonis regis [son of Robert "le Fort"]" when recording his death, also Site rencontre saintes .
It cites no corresponding primary source, but presumably the suggestion is based on the Miraculis Sancti Genulfi which names "Agana filia…Byturicensium comes…Wifredus [et]…Oda coniux" as wife of "Roberto viro primoque palatii Pipini regis" .
Could it be possible therefore that he was the same Site rencontre saintes as Robert "le Fort"? If this was the case, it would be consistent with the Saxon origin which is suggested by Richer and by the Miracula Sancti Benedicti see above.
The Saxon connection of the latter family is suggested by the name Theoderic nine different individuals named Theoderic have been identified in the familywhich was first recorded in Saxony in the family of Widukind by Einhard in see the document SAXONY.
As noted above, the dating clause of this document may either refer to King Charles II "le Chauve" or to Charles III "le Simple" King of the West Franks, in the latter case the donor being the future Robert I King of France not Robert "le Fort", although this would not change the significance of the relationship described "avunculus" could also have been used in the document in the sense of "great-uncle".
Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks restored property to Hincmar Archbishop of Reims which he had previously granted to his supporters, including property granted to "…Rotbertus…", by charter dated 1 Oct .
This co-identity is not beyond doubt. Robert submitted to the king's authority, when he was given command of the march of Neustria, which had been confiscated from the Rorgonid family for supporting the revolt of Louis later King Louis II against his father .
The Annales Bertiniani record that "Rodbertus" attacked "Salomone duce" [duke of Brittany] in . This change of jurisdictional status must have been insufficient to control the Bretons and the Vikings because Robert is named in the Annales Bertiniani in in the context of King Charles imposing direct rule in the area by sending "Hludowicum filium suum" into "Neustriam" and granting him "comitatum Andegavensem et abbatiam Maioris-monasterii et quasdam villas illi", while recording that Robert was compensated with "comitatum Autissiodorensem et comitatum Nivernensem".
Merlet suggests that this charter indicates that Robert "le Fort" was Comte de Blois at the time . However, another possibility is that the county indicated was the "march of Anjou" to which Robert had been appointed count some years before see above. Comte d'Auxerre and Comte de Nevers The Annales Bertiniani record that "Rotbertum et Ramnulfum, Godtfridum quoque et Heriveum comites" were defeated by the Vikings at "Brieserta" inwhere Robert was killed .
The Adonis Continuatio records that "Robertus quoque atque Ramnulfus…inter primos ipsi priores" were killed by the Vikings in . The name of Comte Robert's wife or wives is not known, but there are indications that he married more than once, maybe three times.
One possibility can be dismissed immediately: The primary source on which this is based is not noted, but as stated above, it is probably the Miraculis Sancti Genulfi which names "Agana filia…Byturicensium comes…Wifredus [et]…Oda coniux" as wife of "Roberto viro primoque palatii Pipini regis" .
If this co-identity is correct, Agane would have been too old to have been the mother of the recorded children of Robert "le Fort". There is no indication who she might have been, apart from the charter dated 20 Feb "anno XXVII regnante domino Carolo…rege" which is discussed above.
If, in accordance with one of the possibilities suggested above, the dating clause in this document refers to the reign of Charles III "le Simple" King of the West Franks, the donor must have been the future Robert I King of France.
If this is correct, Adelais must have been Comte Robert's second or third wife as Conrad died afterby which date Robert's known children were already born. Settipani states that the passage is a 12th century interpolation and has little historical value, although he does suggest that it is likely that the wife of Comte Robert was a close relation of Adelais without providing the reasoning for his statement .
A family connection between Comte Robert and Conrad Comte de Paris is also suggested by the former being invested with the county of Auxerre inafter this county was confiscated from the latter as recorded by Hincmar on the assumption that there was some basis of heredity behind the transmission of counties in France at that time which is probable, but remains unproven.
Abbot of Saint-Martin de Tours: King Eudes defeated the Normans at Montfaucon-en-Argonne 24 Junafter which he was recognised as king by Arnulf King of the East Franks who sent royal insignia for a second consecration at Reims 13 Nov . He was succeeded by the Carolingian Charles III "le Simple", who had been consecrated as anti-king at Reims 28 Janas recorded in the agreement reached in between the two adversaries after Eudes defeated Charles .
The primary source on which this is based has not yet been identified. Settipani says that it has no historical basis . Nevertheless, Theoderic, supposed son of Adelramn [II], was a strong supporter of King Eudes, as recorded in the Annales Vedastini which is best explained by a family connection: She married secondly Otto.
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